dumb people have always bought crap. just because components are more expensive doesn’t change anything–a savvy computer user is always going to go for pre-built. i’d personally take out a loan before i bought a meta pc even if steep discounts are on the menu.
it also makes me think that all the conspiratorial talk is just talk. maybe all these companies are conspiring to raise prices so they can sell you garbage like this pathetic excuse for a pc.
but that doesn’t fit into the ‘all rich people are geniuses’ narrative. greed doesn’t require intelligence. even someone with an intense hunger and a 50 IQ is gonna try and put their hand into your burger king bag and swipe a fry or two.
Aaand they’re more powerful for the same (or even lower) price. All the people saying you can’t build anything better than the Steam Machine for the same price have been awfully quiet these last few days. I guess the memes about Valve fanboys have some truth to them.
On the other hand, the Steam Machine is smaller and needs less power, so there’s that. I don’t know if anyone cares that much, but I can appreciate very small PCs.
Can we just stop with the “these people have been awfully quiet the last few days”. Did you scour every location? Do you think people have nothing better to do than post the same shit all the time? This is some Facebook-level copium. Like when people feel they were justified when someone died or had complications due to the Covid vaccine and then people would say, “Where are all the supporters of it now…” Just stop.
SteamOS support for hardware is in beta support. https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/65B4-2AA3-5F37-4227
Could other hardware work, sure. Potentially w/o issues. And yeah, it might be better in performance. But if issues crop up, is Meta PC going to resolve the problems? Is Meta going to contribute to SteamOS for driver support/bug fixes? If issues come up on the Steam Deck or Steam Machine… Valve are the ones you are going to address it, both hardware and software.
If you want to build your own machine, and run whatever OS on it, cool. Don’t try gatekeeping/shaming people because someone wants the vendors version.
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Wonder what percent is the chance you get it shipped with the CPU cooler plastic cover still attached
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Steamroller is a great name.
Should’ve put wheels on it to make it even better
Hey guys there’s a ram and storage price gouching going on because of the AI bs. Hey guys here’s a pc with an open source OS re-built for 1,000$ each. Hey guys there will be a new model next year and they might even start a subscription service next year but you’ll all buy it anyways because the price point will seem better but you’ll all bitch about the subscription service…
Fuckin’ shit.
Are you high, friend? How is any of what you wrote related to SteamOS and the GabeCube?
Am now I actually wasn’t when I wrote that. I have like a fucked up first thing in the morning agitation psychosis thing and writing down bs replies makes it fun because then I do medically smoke cannabis see what I wrote and then delete it after laughing and saying fucking shit…
It’s kind of a wild ride.
Where are you seeing that Valve is planning on making SteamOS a subscription service??
And you know what it wouldn’t be hard. Force users to be online and to log in to steam and if you don’t log in to steam which would hold your premium user pass which would enable the randomized access key to the premium/registered version of Steam OS that you’re able to have full control over vs the downloaded iso that has half the features and no way to unlock the premium features/using the OS, being able to access the VR Games, access anything up and coming and new releases without paying.
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Also going off of the market trends of Google and Apple always making a new model with planned obsolescence with the old one and locking features due to the inability to update.
So one of the biggest gaming companies on the market right now (Steam) is making model one. When will model two be released and will you have to pay annually for it? Will there be planned obsolescence?
We don’t know? We’re ½ and ½ putting faith into an open source software with gaming hardware in a pc sold by Steam…
That’s a fuckin’ leap of faith.
I don’t I’m just going off of the last decade and a half of market trends shifting away from traditional ownership of a product you puchase to forced renting with an indefinite subscription service.
I guess I should’ve said I wouldn’t be surprised if they did a subscription service after it does well and then moves features and then people will have to pay for premium Steam OS or full registered version or full access with all options vs free to try open source OS that is restricted from users adding any new features via open source that would make the premium obsolete in order to maintain revenue.
I 100% wouldn’t be surprised.
I looked not long ago for a steamos iso… does that exist somewhere?
Here ya go official OS. https://store.steampowered.com/steamos/download?ver=steamdeck
You are the man (or woman or whatever).
Thanks!!!
well that didn’t take very long
I have to ask, are META PCs affiliated in any way with Zuckerberg?
No. This company actually had a legal dispute with Meta when they rebranded from Facebook: https://www.the-sun.com/tech/3983498/facebook-meta-name-trademark-battle/
No, they are a completely separate company. They have a YouTube channel as well, and I find their YouTube Shorts videos quite entertaining and informative.
Yeah, unfortunate naming if you ask me. “Meta” is just tainted by the zuck now.
just a makeshift
I regret seeing this.
Look at how humanish he is.
I’m on the reservation list for a Steam Machine and personally have no regrets, but I’m so happy these exist. I don’t think it has to be a big competition, but between not appealing to a mass audience and have limited stock, the Steam Machine may have inadvertently ushered in a prebuilt Linux PC revolution, and that’s a wonderful thing.
inadvertently
I suspect Valve knew what they were doing, and while they probably care more about having prebuilts with Steam preinstalled and convenient to use, they included desktop mode in SteamOS and made sure the steam deck was open to tinkering.
Yup, I was thinking the same thing, the more people that can get on the Linux train, the better.
Can we finally say it? Is the year of the Linux desktop finally upon us??
The year of the Linux desktop came and went honestly a while ago with kde 6 and proton hitting the scene.
Now it’s the year of the Linux pre built.
nah, it’s more like the year of the linux game console, if anything.
Neither the Steam Machine nor this Steamroller are consoles tho
Edit: grammar
something something quacks like a duck, swins like a duck, it’s a duck. The steam machine does
swim like a duckbehave like what is commonly referres to as a game console. The steamroller is debatable tho.The steam machine:
- Custom hardware
- Custom software and os
- Specifically designed to play games
- Has a dedicated controller
- Designed to work well with a living room TV (HDMI-CEC)
The only difference between the steam machine and other consoles is that it’s not locked down
I could however, plug the fucker into my TV and play games though.
The Steam Machine ain’t a typical PC either, at least that’s not the intention on how it is to be used. It’s kinda a PC-console hybrid.
*Neither
It feels so needlessly aggressive. Valve openly stated that there are alternatives to the Steam Machine, and they aren’t trying to own the market. Calling your prebuilt the “Steamroller” is kind of a dickhead move. That’s like Del Taco coming out with a deep friend taco shell and calling it “Fuck your Chalupa, bitch.”
ITT: People who have no idea how marketing and advertising work.
So I took it as rolling your own steam, not aggressive.
What’s the problem with it, exactly? As long as it lives up to its promise and is a better machine, why shouldn’t they market it as a better machine or make direct comparisons?
It’s not even saying the steam one is bad, just that it is better.
That’s not really how I read it. Clearly they are leveraging vale products, (steam os) so include steam in the name. They probably want this name to evoke strength and power, so what’s something with steam in the name that is powerful? A steamroller.
I don’t think it is meant to roll steam!
They specifically advertise it as an “upgradable alternative to the Steam Machine”; with that in mind, assuming the name isn’t intended to evoke comparisons to Steam Machine is kind of ridiculous, no?
I’m getting some white knighty wiffs from this outrage over someone daring to compete with valve.
Outrage? We’re just discussing it, mate…
Wild, the level of emotion some people extrapolate from text-based conversations
That’s like Del Taco coming out with a deep friend taco shell and calling it “Fuck your Chalupa, bitch.”
I would go to Del Taco right this moment if this were real.
I’m not sure I’d be able to order a “fuck your chalupa, bitch” with a straight face, but I’ll try.
They like it more when you giggle and order two
Eh, I see your point, but it feels pretty tongue-in-cheek to me. Steamroller is just a cool name that implies the thing is a workhorse.
What about making a spherical system and calling it the Steamcube?
I think it would get massive amounts of free advertising. Not sure if it would sell because I wouldn’t want it.
Remember literally any PC can run steam and Linux. Steam machine is still just hardware.
A little bit more than just hardware, it’s also official support from Valve, who are also the creators and maintainers of both Steam and SteamOS. We’ll see how much that counts for, I think Valve doesn’t have a great reputation for their support.
The Steam Machine also still has the advantage of HDMI CEC. Since none of the GPU manufacturers seem to want to bother with even on cards with HDMI ports.
Or, theres only so many ways you can make a punny name on Steam OS.
But of course that doesnt allow for righteous indignity.
And unlike Nintendo switch, you can play games you bought 15 years ago… and use other stores or emulation
I love rebuying Minecraft every time I get a new console
Yeah. I have 2 copies now of no mans sky I’m fairly sure… And, I sold my PS5 and xbox ages ago
Don’t worry, I’m waiting to pay $40 of an old game Nintendo will release on the NSO. That k you Nintendo for making me pay for emulated old game again.
Yeah. I bought a bunch on my Wii. Then I got a Wii U and lost them
Wii games run on the Wii U?
I bought them on the wii store. And they didn’t go to Wii U too
I can’t see the size listed anywhere, this is just a mini itx junk box.
From what I can tell, the PC in the image is built in the Jonsbo D32 PRO MESH Black, which is listed as “D396×W207×H314mm”. However, the META PCs page says it’s built in the Jonsbo D32 Black, which doesn’t quite exist (the Jonsbo models are PRO Black, PRO MESH Black, and STD Black). Thankfully, they are all the same size and the only differences are the side panel (mesh vs glass) and whether or not it has a moveable spine for variable spacing (PRO vs STD).
Though, the META PCs website should really be more specific in their specs list.
The steam machine from valve is just a small form factor junk box.
Seems fine for most gamers… As others have said, Steam don’t make much profit on it, and the hardware isn’t bad.
Not everyone is playing 4K titles with raytracing. And when you start considering how quickly the cost of games adds up, steam ends up cheaper fairly quickly (I can’t imagine buying 300 games on PS5 lol)
The hardware is bad. It’s a power throttled bottom of the barrel GPU and CPU. It’s a 1080p30fps machine for anything other than indies, and for most AAA gaming it will need the atrocious FSR to even get to that.
It’s not upgradable either, so it’s not like you can just swap out the GPU or CPU for a better one later.
For a machine that’s targeting the living room, where most people who might consider buying this would be wanting to use it on a big 4K TV, they’ve made the worst possible performing machine for that use case.
I’m not sure how much of a console gamer you are, or how much you keep an eye on game prices, but almost every sale on steam for games that are on consoles happens on Xbox and PlayStation too. I know because I often have to choose between buying on Xbox or Steam when there’s a sale, and the Xbox version with play anywhere is the same price as the steam one so I usually buy the Xbox one.
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Yeah but it has the Steam logo on it. That’s worth $1000 by itself
From the comparison I saw valve is only making ~$71 per device which honestly isn’t that much of a premium for a pre-built mini pc
I’m kinda surprised they don’t just sell it at cost. We knew they couldn’t subsidize the price with game sales, as anyone could buy this and install a different OS without ever buying a single steam game, but I kinda figured they’d bank on most people not doing that, hence selling at cost.
Maybe it’s just ~$71 margin for component costs to inflate further without the need for them to change the price.
It doesn’t really matter how much profit they’re making on it, it’s a bad deal because every other comparable low end pc is upgradable whereas the steam machine isn’t.
There’s just no reason for a locked-hardware low-end device like the steam machine to exist. Why would anyone want a non-upgradable PC, when the reason people play on PC is for the upgradability?
The funny thing is, I don’t believe it actually does lol
On the bottom of the page it says preorder: 1300 dollars
Ahh yes the standard volumetric measurement of dollars.
I misread it as price.
1300 and only 16gb of ram and a GPU on par with a RTX 3060 / RX 6650 . Brutal.
I own Minisforum HX99g and it can be compared to SM and only costed me 800 eur 2 years ago. 6900hx and 6650m with 32gb ddr5.Today refurbished can go around 600eur.
Im probably going to have to die with my 3060ti
I’m babying my 3090 like its the last GPU on earth. Undervolted, TDP way down, clockspeed capped, fans RUNNING.
It will never see 420W again.
Make sure you can get replacement fans before you abuse them
I can! It’s an EVGA FTW3.
Even if I couldn’t, it’s ducted to the side of an SFF case, so I could just disconnect them, wire the PWM lead from the GPU and use 120mm case fans.
The card rarely goes above 300W now and ingests ambient air, so the fans hardly spin up anyway.
EVGA, nice, all you needed to say haha
I wish they still made GPUs :(. Even an Intel Arc.
Hell, if they could somehow source 3090 dies, they’d make a killing still selling them, heh.
Does that actually shorten its lifespan? Aren’t GPUs made to run at full power without wear? (As long as they don’t overheat, but they thermal throttle before that)
Like 87 said, thermal expansion slowly damages them, so less extreme shifts between temperatures are better. Hence when turning the PC on, I also let it slowly “warm up” before heavily loading it, and don’t run the fans too aggressively when it’s cooler.
You can also have individual components overheat and die. VRMs on some 3090s are notorious for this. I’m trying to minimize this risk by undervolting and clock capping it, so current draw never peaks too high.
Aren’t GPUs made to run at full power without wear?
That’s just textbook propaganda from hardware manufacturers.
They can say it because technically the change from cold to hot damages components… Not the actual heat… Afaik.
Also, thermal throttling tanks performance, especially in CPU’s. It causes massive hitching or even crashes.
9070xt will run circles around it for $630 or so.
There’s certainly CPU options out there for high fps gaming on ddr4 rigs, I just feel bad for the guys still on ddr3 who can’t eat the extra ~400 needed for a proper rig nowadays.
Yeah. X3D 5000-series will outrun many DDR5 CPUs in games.
Meanwhile you can walk into microcenter and pick up a 7500x3d with a 5060 for $999
5060 aint fast either, but it’s way faster than a 7600. $300 will let you upgrade easily to 32GB of ram, or you could sell the 5060 (they seem to be about 300-320 for completed fleabay listings) and take the saved $300 and buy a 9070xt or something which are $630 at MC. 4k gaming for $1300. PSU is 650W and should work fine.
God I wish we had microcenter here. All the tech shops around the just sell overpriced prebuilts and peripherals
$300 will let you upgrade easily to 32GB of ram
Where ya buying ya ram? I haven’t seen any 32GB packs for less than $380
It comes with 16, you only need to buy 16 more for 32.
so even if you want a matching pair it’s pretty close.
480€ here…
