ARM has had decades in the oven, x86 has had almost half a century, while RISC-V manufacturing and ISA development has been generally available only a couple of years.
The fact is if there isn’t a big push by some major vendor - or some nation state, then chances are it’ll develop slower than the previously mentioned ISAs.
From design, to testing, to prefab, to packaging, it’s all combined just a single step of the journey to improving yield and performance.
ARM is unfortunately the current trajectory, with Qualcomm, Apple and now NVIDIA leading the charge - which doesn’t bode well, simply because you won’t know what the hell the firmware do.
We could truly use some market disruption in this space and RISC-V, being an open ISA, would be the safest bet for digital sovereignty and user autonomy - but apparently those things are only important on paper.
Can we make our own RISC-V chips like using FPGAs or something? Or would that be infinitely less robust than anything purpose-built by industry?
Chinese manufacturers seem to offer plenty of options for RISC-V MCUs and raspberrypi knockoffs, but they seem to be always sold out or they don’t ship to my country
The ESP32 series have already switched to RISC-V for most models and many other microcontrollers has too. There’s not a lot in the laptop/desktop territory but with enough incentives it’s gonna happen
Oh ya, the C3 and I think the C5. Not sure what the current versions are but if they’re in esp32’s then I guess that’s pretty main stream, just nowhere near a computer processor just yet.
Are the RISC-V ESP32’s cheaper than that ARM ones?
Maybe if we all buy RISC-V microprocessors then somebody somewhere will see a little blip in market demand and have the genius idea of producing more full 64-bit RISC-V chips
I see. They’re a little cheaper if you solder them yourself though. Of course soldering 128 leads is no small project and requires some precision. But it’s way cheaper than buying pre-soldered breakout boards.
I’m keeping an eye on the RISC-V space. Not far off now… I hope
Unrelated to the topic discussed, but I absolutely hate that GIF’s ability to spike my anticipation and never pay it off.
You have to watch just a little longer - trust me!
That’s what a gif edging looks like
Stolen!
I would never download a car!
Having beheld the AI slop on Makers World, I sure as hell wouldn’t.
Hack the planet!!!
I can’t believe those two got married.
Pretty far off but China has some nice manufacturers…or they would if AI didn’t exist.
This is generally the problem with ISAs.
ARM has had decades in the oven, x86 has had almost half a century, while RISC-V manufacturing and ISA development has been generally available only a couple of years.
The fact is if there isn’t a big push by some major vendor - or some nation state, then chances are it’ll develop slower than the previously mentioned ISAs.
From design, to testing, to prefab, to packaging, it’s all combined just a single step of the journey to improving yield and performance.
ARM is unfortunately the current trajectory, with Qualcomm, Apple and now NVIDIA leading the charge - which doesn’t bode well, simply because you won’t know what the hell the firmware do.
We could truly use some market disruption in this space and RISC-V, being an open ISA, would be the safest bet for digital sovereignty and user autonomy - but apparently those things are only important on paper.
Can we make our own RISC-V chips like using FPGAs or something? Or would that be infinitely less robust than anything purpose-built by industry?
Chinese manufacturers seem to offer plenty of options for RISC-V MCUs and raspberrypi knockoffs, but they seem to be always sold out or they don’t ship to my country
The ESP32 series have already switched to RISC-V for most models and many other microcontrollers has too. There’s not a lot in the laptop/desktop territory but with enough incentives it’s gonna happen
Oh ya, the C3 and I think the C5. Not sure what the current versions are but if they’re in esp32’s then I guess that’s pretty main stream, just nowhere near a computer processor just yet.
Are the RISC-V ESP32’s cheaper than that ARM ones?
Maybe if we all buy RISC-V microprocessors then somebody somewhere will see a little blip in market demand and have the genius idea of producing more full 64-bit RISC-V chips
You could always make your own chips
Ohh, I’m saving that one! Thanks
FPGAs are going to be way more expensive. It’s possible, but the cost-to-performance ratio would be abysmal.
I see. They’re a little cheaper if you solder them yourself though. Of course soldering 128 leads is no small project and requires some precision. But it’s way cheaper than buying pre-soldered breakout boards.
I feel like the ball is only just now rolling for ARM… and RISC-V is WAAAY behind that.