• NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip
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    22 hours ago

    No they are right. That was exactly what we learned during the pandemic. You can lay out the most researched fact check argument you want and they still wont believe you.

    People are going to still say he is making shit up. No amount of facts are going to help.

    Personally, I prefer the method used by a lot of podcasts I listen to. They put a link to all their citation and research instead of cramming it all into the presentation. Often with some discussion items and additional information if I want to check sources.

    Video is an exercise in patience, because it is a horrible way to convey information, and really long ones are not helping.

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      15 hours ago
      • You can’t reason somebody out of a position they didn’t reason themselves in to.
      • If someone has internalised a position as a part of themselves then an attack on that position is now a personal attack and will be treated as such. ( this is one reason why you see such visceral responses to what would normally be minor disagreements )
      • Not everybody is looking for (or will even consider) a differing viewpoint, they will just ignore anything outside of their bubble because they don’t care about factual accuracy as much as they care about validation.
      • Bad faith isn’t always intentional trolling, some people are just natural arseholes ( like babies aren’t trying to make your ears bleed with their crying, it’s just one of the only means of communication available to them )
    • Holytimes@sh.itjust.works
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      13 hours ago

      Laying everything out and hammering it home and showing all the work. Is the only reason we don’t have more idiots running around. You will never convert the truely hopeless loss causes. But you can convert the fence sitters and reduce the amount of idiots by a good chunk.

      If you just leave them to their own devices those fence sitters will just join the idiots.

      Literally you will just have more idiots if you don’t try. Covid made that extremely clear. It takes twice the effort to get though to most people and the idiots are too far gone.

      Being nice, polite and to the point rarely actually helps the cause when your trying to talk to stupid people.