• [object Object]@lemmy.ca
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    10 hours ago

    Unsure how I feel about this

    I don’t like steams discovery system. It’s not good, and the numbers show that most devs don’t get any exposure.

    Steam has a Pareto skew problem: the top games get all the attention, and the long tail of games get none.

    Steam also has a large undiagnosed observer bias inspection bias problem, where there’s a large contingent of people who spend a lot of time on games but their recommendations are absolutely god awful for normal players. But they make up all the metrics (play time, games played, achievements, etc), so in most algorithms they’ll be over represented. This effect gets stronger the more niche a game is.

    Steams user tags are also kinda awful. They’re a total kitchen sink: I played Crimson Desert, now steam recommends the “dragon” tag for me. Well, the top “dragon” games are not at all like an action game that happens to have dragons. Same with “horses” tag. This is somewhere that better tag weighting could help, but also the combination of tags is hugely important.

    Sometimes I don’t open steam for more than a year, my recommendations in discovery queue are so far removed from what I want it’s insane.

    Is there a steam tag database? Would be fun to play with their data.

    Edit: inspection bias not observer bias

    • PeculiarGoat@lemmy.world
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      9 hours ago

      I would like them to separate genre out of the tag system and curate the list of genres themselves, create strict guidelines for devs to select genres for their games, and let customers discover games via genre instead of tags. IMO the tag system is the worst thing they’ve ever added to the store.

  • Peffse@lemmy.world
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    8 hours ago

    Last time I ran a discovery queue, 9/10 items were included because “it is popular” and not because it was related to any items I purchased and played. So I don’t have high hopes for anything changing for the better here.

  • Tarambor@lemmy.world
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    12 hours ago

    Overall, this sounds like a really good change for Steam. Instead of Valve manually picking things, or developers scheduling specific stuff to get a slot - you will hopefully see more of what you’re directly interested in.

    No this is not a good thing. It’s going to result in you just being shown the type of stuff you play. It’s literally no different to the Youtube and Facebook algorithms that just ensure you see nothing but the same shit in a different package all the time.

    • lost_faith@lemmy.ca
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      11 hours ago

      Will it push any vr on me? if not nothing will change for me. I have like 20 flat games and over 110 vr, steam never shows me vr in that popup after first load, or on that “for you feed” forget what its actually called as I stopped looking at it, I have to actively look for any vr I want to get

      • AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world
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        8 hours ago

        If you don’t have it, Derail Valley Simulator is both flat and native VR, you can learn to drive trains. You can also learn how to crash them.

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          7 hours ago

          Derail Valley Simulator

          Well, there is a game now on my wishlist, thank you Kender. HEY! Where are my boot and belt buckles?

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    11 hours ago

    Wait, does Steam not already do this kind of thing? I absolutely see different games marketed towards me based on what I’ve been playing more of lately, and have for years.

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      11 hours ago

      I noticed it too. I have all the shooters I need, so I would rather be suggested other genres I might enjoy. Over the last 5 years, it felt like what I played when I was younger is what Steam wants me to play today…

      • AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world
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        8 hours ago

        Astrox Imperium = Eve Offline (it’s literally a single player EvE Online clone)

        Schedule 1 (Drug dealer shop sim)

        Roadside Research (Gas Station run by inquisitive aliens sim)

        Vintage Story (Minecraft for adults, the chisel will change your life.) (Not Available On Steam)

        Workers and Resources: Soviet Republic (possibly the most in depth city builder on the market)

        I can suggest a ton more, but I’m trying to stay on the Indy dev side of things.

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    10 hours ago

    I already play a crapton of niche games, about a third of which I found through Steam recs. I thought they were already doing something like this, especially with the custom release calendar.

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    11 hours ago

    I feel like my library is so huge and varied it would be impossible to market a specific niche to me.

    If they go by play times though, I’ll only ever see games with the [dwarf] tag.

  • PeculiarGoat@lemmy.world
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    14 hours ago

    Let me guess… it’s going to rely on the tags system. And another guess… they aren’t going to do anything to stop devs and consumers putting tags I like on shovelware that I would never buy in a million years.

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      12 hours ago

      What would you like them to do about your personal problem? Veto games? Curate only the most hyped of games and give no chance to smaller devs or crazy niche projects? Choosing what to buy is your problem, their problem is making sure that games that might interest you (and other consumers) get the visibility they need. Bad games still fall into genre, and it’s the consumer’s responsibility/right to decide for themselves what is a good or bad game.

      Millions of kids love Roblox, to me, that game looks and is utter garbage. But would I want Steam/platforms to say what is good? Not really.