Hey guys, stop moving on to the next commercial service who will do the exact same thing once they get up to critical mass.
Yes, commercial services are easier to setup. The cost you pay is all of your privacy and your loss of control over the service that you’re building your communities on.
Stop making this same mistake OVER and OVER and OVER.
Take the time to find the IT workers or tech nerds in your community, take donations to rent server space and administer it yourself. Moving from Discord to Teamspeak isn’t an improvement, you’re just selecting the next group of people who will sell you out the moment that it becomes profitable.
None of these things are difficult to use and the administrative side of things is simple (most are simply pre-made and hardened Docker containers). Even if you don’t want to deal with that yourself, there are managed hosts available for all of these pieces of software. If you don’t want to administer a Mumble server you can just rent one for less than the cost of a single Discord subscription. There are similar managed hosts for all of the other software.
Every game that I’ve ever played as part of a large community has had forum software and voice chat that we’ve hosted ourselves. Discord killed all of that because they offered the same service for free and made it easier.
Well, it wasn’t free, they’ve been steadily enshittfying and profiting off of the users. The prices keep increasing and they’re depending on the Network Effect (“I can’t leave because everyone uses it!”) to keep you trapped on their services.
I have seen the conversation around ditching discord come up a few times, but this more recent one was the first time seeing Movim and it seems to have more folks post about it. Is it newer then revolt, rocket, etc?
Not yet, unfortunately. It can currently do a group conference audio/video call, but there are no rooms where you can see who’s in the call and just hop in. That is a planned feature in the future, though. Probably after Discord-like rooms are implemented (which won a recent feature poll).
The problem with decentralised alternatives to Discord isn’t just the set up time.
Me and some of my friend group are pretty technical and we’re willing to jump through all the hoops and difficulties to make our own little cluster of federated self-hosted servers.
The problems start occurring when we actually look at what these open source alternatives are actually capable of. And… Uh… It looks bad. Voice chatting and streaming and text channels on the same client are an absolute must.
Voice chatting and streaming and text channels on the same client are an absolute must.
Yes, those are certainly a convenience that would be nice to have.
I just don’t think they’re “Be subjected to Discord” nice anymore.
I’ll take on the burden of launching two executables and clicking two different windows in order to not be subjected to the endless monetization and privacy violations.
Not everyone agrees, that that’s fine too. Using Discord (or Signal if your group is small and care more about privacy than open source) isn’t wrong, but some people see the downsides as outweighing the benefits.
“not everyone agrees” explains the nail in the coffin for 99% of groups.
You need a 100% investment from the group or it’s a hard stop.
Your average online group or gamer give zero fucks as long as it works.
For online gaming, that means voice, messaging, and forums in ONE click. You might get away without video.
For gaming, the current steps are …
1 download discord (99% skip because they already have)
2 paste this link into discord (which they already know how to do)
DONE
You proposal? Just list them out for me for your non tech user… Download 3 different programs? Including separate sign on? learn three different programs.
AND NOTE THAT THIS IS JUST FOR YOUR GROUP.
Play 6 games, sorry each game has their own set of programs and logins and learning. And remembering which program you need to use for each.
If you think that’s a workable “solution” to replacing discord, which is currently used for 95% of online gaming in a one stop shop…
Your a fucking delusional idiot. And that’s being nice you.
The topic of the thread is about users migrating away from Discord due to privacy concerns over their ID requirements. If this doesn’t apply to you, what is your purpose commenting? To tell us all that the thing in the OP isn’t actually happening?
Your position is that:
this can’t happen,
people can’t leave discord because people are on discord,
it’s impossible to learn 3 applications,
Therefore nobody would replace Discord with Teamspeak and also use some other chat program (that’s 2 programs! which is nearly as impossible as learning 3 programs!).
You’re posting this opinion in a thread about users migrating to TeamSpeak and calling me the idiot?
That’s certainly an opinion.
Your a fucking delusional idiot.
‘Your’ is the possessive form of you.
You’re is the word you’re looking for, as it is a contraction of ‘you are’ as in ‘you are an idiot’.
Kind of, they give everyone a free 1 server 32 slot license.
That isn’t guaranteed to be there forever and they could decide in the future that you need to buy that license.
However, if you install a Mumble server then it can’t be taken away from you. The hosting process is largely the same from an administrative perspective so I’d prefer the ‘free forever’ to the ‘free, limit 32, while supplies last’ license-wise.
Hey guys, stop moving on to the next commercial service who will do the exact same thing once they get up to critical mass.
Yes, commercial services are easier to setup. The cost you pay is all of your privacy and your loss of control over the service that you’re building your communities on.
Stop making this same mistake OVER and OVER and OVER.
Take the time to find the IT workers or tech nerds in your community, take donations to rent server space and administer it yourself. Moving from Discord to Teamspeak isn’t an improvement, you’re just selecting the next group of people who will sell you out the moment that it becomes profitable.
Use Free and Open Source solutions, that your community hosts themselves. You have Mumble (https://www.mumble.info/) for voice, XMPP (https://xmpp.org/software/?category=servers) for text chat, Discourse (https://github.com/discourse/discourse) for forums, or even setup a Lemmy instance.
None of these things are difficult to use and the administrative side of things is simple (most are simply pre-made and hardened Docker containers). Even if you don’t want to deal with that yourself, there are managed hosts available for all of these pieces of software. If you don’t want to administer a Mumble server you can just rent one for less than the cost of a single Discord subscription. There are similar managed hosts for all of the other software.
Every game that I’ve ever played as part of a large community has had forum software and voice chat that we’ve hosted ourselves. Discord killed all of that because they offered the same service for free and made it easier.
Well, it wasn’t free, they’ve been steadily enshittfying and profiting off of the users. The prices keep increasing and they’re depending on the Network Effect (“I can’t leave because everyone uses it!”) to keep you trapped on their services.
XMPP can actually do everything, chat, group video calls, and even screen sharing with the Movim client. It’s a one-stop shop.
@Tattorack@lemmy.world
I have seen the conversation around ditching discord come up a few times, but this more recent one was the first time seeing Movim and it seems to have more folks post about it. Is it newer then revolt, rocket, etc?
Older, actually. Its been around since 2010, and is built upon the XMPP protocol, which is from 1999.
Movim has only recently taken the direction of becoming a Discord replacement.
That makes sense. Thanks for the heads up!
No prob :D
Can it do drop in/drop out VoIP rooms like mumble?
Not yet, unfortunately. It can currently do a group conference audio/video call, but there are no rooms where you can see who’s in the call and just hop in. That is a planned feature in the future, though. Probably after Discord-like rooms are implemented (which won a recent feature poll).
Oh, that looks pretty nice, thanks for the recommendation.
I’ll have to throw up an XMPP setup and give it a shot. It looks like they have a podman container setup available: https://github.com/movim/movim
The problem with decentralised alternatives to Discord isn’t just the set up time.
Me and some of my friend group are pretty technical and we’re willing to jump through all the hoops and difficulties to make our own little cluster of federated self-hosted servers.
The problems start occurring when we actually look at what these open source alternatives are actually capable of. And… Uh… It looks bad. Voice chatting and streaming and text channels on the same client are an absolute must.
Just use fluxer. It literally does all that. It’s basically feature parity with discord.
Other then waiting on them to finish up the native mobile app.
I assume they have a web client, how does that do on mobile?
Yes, those are certainly a convenience that would be nice to have.
I just don’t think they’re “Be subjected to Discord” nice anymore.
I’ll take on the burden of launching two executables and clicking two different windows in order to not be subjected to the endless monetization and privacy violations.
Not everyone agrees, that that’s fine too. Using Discord (or Signal if your group is small and care more about privacy than open source) isn’t wrong, but some people see the downsides as outweighing the benefits.
“not everyone agrees” explains the nail in the coffin for 99% of groups.
You need a 100% investment from the group or it’s a hard stop.
Your average online group or gamer give zero fucks as long as it works.
For online gaming, that means voice, messaging, and forums in ONE click. You might get away without video.
For gaming, the current steps are …
1 download discord (99% skip because they already have)
2 paste this link into discord (which they already know how to do)
DONE
You proposal? Just list them out for me for your non tech user… Download 3 different programs? Including separate sign on? learn three different programs.
AND NOTE THAT THIS IS JUST FOR YOUR GROUP.
Play 6 games, sorry each game has their own set of programs and logins and learning. And remembering which program you need to use for each.
If you think that’s a workable “solution” to replacing discord, which is currently used for 95% of online gaming in a one stop shop…
Your a fucking delusional idiot. And that’s being nice you.
The topic of the thread is about users migrating away from Discord due to privacy concerns over their ID requirements. If this doesn’t apply to you, what is your purpose commenting? To tell us all that the thing in the OP isn’t actually happening?
Your position is that:
Therefore nobody would replace Discord with Teamspeak and also use some other chat program (that’s 2 programs! which is nearly as impossible as learning 3 programs!).
You’re posting this opinion in a thread about users migrating to TeamSpeak and calling me the idiot?
That’s certainly an opinion.
‘Your’ is the possessive form of you.
You’re is the word you’re looking for, as it is a contraction of ‘you are’ as in ‘you are an idiot’.
Haha pointing out the wrong use of a possessive tells me everything I need to know about you.
I made fun of you because of your absolutely delusional refusal to acknowledge the extreme barriers to open source options in the current state.
If you weren’t delusional, a logical response would be…
We absolutely have to address these issues if we want widespread adoption of these applications to replace closed source programs.
Apparently you can self-host TeamSpeak
Kind of, they give everyone a free 1 server 32 slot license.
That isn’t guaranteed to be there forever and they could decide in the future that you need to buy that license.
However, if you install a Mumble server then it can’t be taken away from you. The hosting process is largely the same from an administrative perspective so I’d prefer the ‘free forever’ to the ‘free, limit 32, while supplies last’ license-wise.